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		<title>By: metrosucks</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=6428&#038;cpage=1#comment-284667</link>
		<dc:creator>metrosucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 05:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Adam, the Leaf costs $40,000; there&#039;s a huge problem right there before we get to the other problems. 

So for $40,000, where are all the huge benefits one should get? I don&#039;t see them. Not burning fuel in the car isn&#039;t a big one; modern engines are very clean. The battery WILL have a definitive lifespan...are you going to be very happy when your Leaf&#039;s range is 40 miles and the replacement battery is $10,000? And what about if Obama wins a second term and succeeds in driving up the price of electricity dramatically, as he said he&#039;d like to? Suddenly your electric car isn&#039;t so cheap after all. 

And yes, you have a point, most old electrics cars had very limited ranges of up to 30-40miles, but there were models with ranges of up to 75 miles. When you compare this to the huge increases in gas mileage made for ICE cars, it&#039;s laughable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Adam, the Leaf costs $40,000; there&#8217;s a huge problem right there before we get to the other problems. </p>
<p>So for $40,000, where are all the huge benefits one should get? I don&#8217;t see them. Not burning fuel in the car isn&#8217;t a big one; modern engines are very clean. The battery WILL have a definitive lifespan&#8230;are you going to be very happy when your Leaf&#8217;s range is 40 miles and the replacement battery is $10,000? And what about if Obama wins a second term and succeeds in driving up the price of electricity dramatically, as he said he&#8217;d like to? Suddenly your electric car isn&#8217;t so cheap after all. </p>
<p>And yes, you have a point, most old electrics cars had very limited ranges of up to 30-40miles, but there were models with ranges of up to 75 miles. When you compare this to the huge increases in gas mileage made for ICE cars, it&#8217;s laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: metrosucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>metrosucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK Bennett you sort of have a point there. But, Randal is one guy talking about the benefits of driverless cars. 

On the other hand, everyone from multiple environmental organizations to corporations, to the President, has promoted electric cars. 

And for the record, I do think that driverless technology will greatly improve our commutes on freeways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Bennett you sort of have a point there. But, Randal is one guy talking about the benefits of driverless cars. </p>
<p>On the other hand, everyone from multiple environmental organizations to corporations, to the President, has promoted electric cars. </p>
<p>And for the record, I do think that driverless technology will greatly improve our commutes on freeways.</p>
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		<title>By: metrosucks</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=6428&#038;cpage=1#comment-284665</link>
		<dc:creator>metrosucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 05:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Danny Boy, can you explain the following?

What is a carbon footprint?

How does a carbon footprint relate to the effect a person has on the environment?

Pwetty pwease use small words that a ignorant like me can understand. You see, unlike you, who &lt;i&gt;almost&lt;/i&gt; got a master&#039;s degree, I merely &lt;i&gt;almost&lt;/i&gt; got an associates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Danny Boy, can you explain the following?</p>
<p>What is a carbon footprint?</p>
<p>How does a carbon footprint relate to the effect a person has on the environment?</p>
<p>Pwetty pwease use small words that a ignorant like me can understand. You see, unlike you, who <i>almost</i> got a master&#8217;s degree, I merely <i>almost</i> got an associates.</p>
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		<title>By: paulscott</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=6428&#038;cpage=1#comment-284607</link>
		<dc:creator>paulscott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 01:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry I&#039;m so late to this party, but after reading the comments, I feel I need to correct some misinformation.

I drive an EV, have been for almost a decade. I use solar generated electricity to power both my house and car. My electric bill averages a mere $100 per year for both.

Those who want to bash EVs because of the &quot;long tailpipe&quot; theory of pollution from a distant smokestack clearly haven&#039;t taken the steps to eliminate the same dirty energy from their home&#039;s use. If you are serious about being a good steward of the environment, that should be your first move. Once you&#039;ve either installed solar on your roof, or signed up for your utility&#039;s renewable energy program, then your home and car will be pollution-free, well-to-wheels.

The whole question of suburbs vs. cities is more of an over-population issue than anything else. We clearly need to redesign our communities around a nodal design to eliminate much of the driving. But no matter now successful we are at improving mass trans and biking options, there will still be millions of Americans driving cars. We need to be real about that. Given this reality, the cars that are driven should use renewable electricity instead of petrol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m so late to this party, but after reading the comments, I feel I need to correct some misinformation.</p>
<p>I drive an EV, have been for almost a decade. I use solar generated electricity to power both my house and car. My electric bill averages a mere $100 per year for both.</p>
<p>Those who want to bash EVs because of the &#8220;long tailpipe&#8221; theory of pollution from a distant smokestack clearly haven&#8217;t taken the steps to eliminate the same dirty energy from their home&#8217;s use. If you are serious about being a good steward of the environment, that should be your first move. Once you&#8217;ve either installed solar on your roof, or signed up for your utility&#8217;s renewable energy program, then your home and car will be pollution-free, well-to-wheels.</p>
<p>The whole question of suburbs vs. cities is more of an over-population issue than anything else. We clearly need to redesign our communities around a nodal design to eliminate much of the driving. But no matter now successful we are at improving mass trans and biking options, there will still be millions of Americans driving cars. We need to be real about that. Given this reality, the cars that are driven should use renewable electricity instead of petrol.</p>
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		<title>By: bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last December it was said here that driver-less cars would bring us â€œa future without traffic accidents or congestion.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last December it was said here that driver-less cars would bring us â€œa future without traffic accidents or congestion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B.S.  Go back and read his posts.  Claims that driver-less cars will solve almost all transport issues in the US are made directly or linked to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B.S.  Go back and read his posts.  Claims that driver-less cars will solve almost all transport issues in the US are made directly or linked to.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[100 years ago, the average range of an electric car was nowhere near 75 miles, and the average speed wasn&#039;t exactly impressive, either.  In 1902, the relatively popular production Wood&#039;s Phaeton had a range of about 18 miles and a top speed of 14 mph.  Research on battery-electrics for passenger use all but ended by WWI, and still very significant progress has been made, to the point now where a production model Nissan Leaf has a top speed of 90 mph and a rated range of 73 miles - enough for 95% of the daily driving needs for the average consumer.  Not that I&#039;m endorsing any particular electric vehicle, that one just seems to be the most popular production model these days.  It seems like a pretty significant improvement over the Phaeton.  Does it replace an unlimited range vehicle?  No.  Perhaps it never will.

But I don&#039;t see any credible evidence to suggest that the limits have been reached.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100 years ago, the average range of an electric car was nowhere near 75 miles, and the average speed wasn&#8217;t exactly impressive, either.  In 1902, the relatively popular production Wood&#8217;s Phaeton had a range of about 18 miles and a top speed of 14 mph.  Research on battery-electrics for passenger use all but ended by WWI, and still very significant progress has been made, to the point now where a production model Nissan Leaf has a top speed of 90 mph and a rated range of 73 miles &#8211; enough for 95% of the daily driving needs for the average consumer.  Not that I&#8217;m endorsing any particular electric vehicle, that one just seems to be the most popular production model these days.  It seems like a pretty significant improvement over the Phaeton.  Does it replace an unlimited range vehicle?  No.  Perhaps it never will.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t see any credible evidence to suggest that the limits have been reached.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 03:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;people in small towns and cities do not need cars the way suburbanites and exurbanites do&lt;/i&gt;

Small-town denizens have very high carbon footprints, in large part due to transportation. That&#039;s how it works.

DS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>people in small towns and cities do not need cars the way suburbanites and exurbanites do</i></p>
<p>Small-town denizens have very high carbon footprints, in large part due to transportation. That&#8217;s how it works.</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: Craigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;people in small towns and cities do not need cars the way suburbanites and exurbanites do&lt;/i&gt;

You, obviously, don&#039;t live in a small town or city.  These days, most of us (at least, in the northeast) have to drive to a &lt;i&gt;large&lt;/i&gt; town or city to work.  In other words, we need cars &lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt; the way suburbanites and exurbanites do.  We are all exurbanites now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>people in small towns and cities do not need cars the way suburbanites and exurbanites do</i></p>
<p>You, obviously, don&#8217;t live in a small town or city.  These days, most of us (at least, in the northeast) have to drive to a <i>large</i> town or city to work.  In other words, we need cars <i>exactly</i> the way suburbanites and exurbanites do.  We are all exurbanites now.</p>
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		<title>By: metrosucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>metrosucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Thank Madison Ave for duping billions to consume products they donâ€™t need&lt;/i&gt;

And who are you to tell people what they do and don&#039;t need? Typical planner elitist &quot;I know better&quot; attitude. Madison Ave didn&#039;t tell Bieber to get a Fisker hybrid, and it didn&#039;t tell his parents to give him one. No, I think the Sierra Club or some other enviro website is a little more at fault here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Thank Madison Ave for duping billions to consume products they donâ€™t need</i></p>
<p>And who are you to tell people what they do and don&#8217;t need? Typical planner elitist &#8220;I know better&#8221; attitude. Madison Ave didn&#8217;t tell Bieber to get a Fisker hybrid, and it didn&#8217;t tell his parents to give him one. No, I think the Sierra Club or some other enviro website is a little more at fault here.</p>
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