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		<title>By: prk166</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327835</link>
		<dc:creator>prk166</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, can&#039;t figured out hod to edit that last one.  It&#039;s a chart of normalized hurricane data from iCat that Pielke Jr had on his web site.]]></description>
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		<title>By: prk166</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327834</link>
		<dc:creator>prk166</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 22:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327511</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Krugman uses very simple language to show how obvious it is that he is making up a story to illustrate how simple his point is: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s very hard to get inflation in a depressed economy. But if you have a program of government spending plus an expansionary policy by the Fed, you could get that. So if you think about using all of these things together, you could accomplish, you know, a great deal.

I mean, if we - if we discovered that, you know, space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a - a massive buildup to counter the - the space alien threat, and really inflation and budget deficits took secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months. And then if we discovered, oops, we made a mistake there aren&#039;t actually any space aliens -

(CROSSTALK)

ROGOFF: So we need Orson Wells is what you&#039;re say?

KRUGMAN: No. That&#039;s a - that&#039;s a - there was a &quot;Twilight Zone&quot; episode like this, which scientists &lt;b&gt;fake an alien threat&lt;/b&gt; in order to achieve world peace. Well, this time we don&#039;t need it - we need it in order &lt;a href=&quot;http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/14/fzgps.01.html&quot; title=&quot;one has to be very desperate to make up that out of this, wouldn&#039;t you say?&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to get some fiscal stimulus&lt;/a&gt;. [emphasis added, but not really needed]&lt;/blockquote&gt;


It&#039;s utterly simple to see it is a &lt;i&gt;metaphor&lt;/i&gt;. So his colleague that challenges people to mark their ideas to market has lost exactly zero credibility by being associated with an alien schemer. 

That is: it remains realistic to suggest that one mark one&#039;s ideas to market, especially when they will change the world and save hundreds of billions of dollars/&lt;i&gt;annum&lt;/i&gt; in spending by turning back the scientist menace to freedom and property. And likely make tonnns of money as a result of their exposing the Enlightenment&#039;s menace to freedom, liberty, prosperity, individualism, capitalism, religion and property. 


DS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman uses very simple language to show how obvious it is that he is making up a story to illustrate how simple his point is: </p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s very hard to get inflation in a depressed economy. But if you have a program of government spending plus an expansionary policy by the Fed, you could get that. So if you think about using all of these things together, you could accomplish, you know, a great deal.</p>
<p>I mean, if we &#8211; if we discovered that, you know, space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a &#8211; a massive buildup to counter the &#8211; the space alien threat, and really inflation and budget deficits took secondary place to that, this slump would be over in 18 months. And then if we discovered, oops, we made a mistake there aren&#8217;t actually any space aliens -</p>
<p>(CROSSTALK)</p>
<p>ROGOFF: So we need Orson Wells is what you&#8217;re say?</p>
<p>KRUGMAN: No. That&#8217;s a &#8211; that&#8217;s a &#8211; there was a &#8220;Twilight Zone&#8221; episode like this, which scientists <b>fake an alien threat</b> in order to achieve world peace. Well, this time we don&#8217;t need it &#8211; we need it in order <a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/14/fzgps.01.html" title="one has to be very desperate to make up that out of this, wouldn't you say?" rel="nofollow">to get some fiscal stimulus</a>. [emphasis added, but not really needed]</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s utterly simple to see it is a <i>metaphor</i>. So his colleague that challenges people to mark their ideas to market has lost exactly zero credibility by being associated with an alien schemer. </p>
<p>That is: it remains realistic to suggest that one mark one&#8217;s ideas to market, especially when they will change the world and save hundreds of billions of dollars/<i>annum</i> in spending by turning back the scientist menace to freedom and property. And likely make tonnns of money as a result of their exposing the Enlightenment&#8217;s menace to freedom, liberty, prosperity, individualism, capitalism, religion and property. </p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327496</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Krugman Wants Manufactured Threat From Outer Space to Revive Economy
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Krugman Wants Manufactured Threat From Outer Space to Revive Economy<br />
<a href="http://youtu.be/fyW-o-Pr92M" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/fyW-o-Pr92M</a></p>
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		<title>By: metrosucks</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327467</link>
		<dc:creator>metrosucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So planner boy,

it sounds like the standard here is that we are supposed to take knowledge ALREADY published in studies and journals, repackage it(to your satisfaction, naturally), and then essentially write ANOTHER, plagiarized article in a manner of your choosing, because if we don&#039;t follow every ridiculous step of your bogus set of standards, then we have essentially failed, according to your stupid little argument, correct?

Oh, btw, I hope you&#039;re still not knocking your wife around. I know getting caught underwater on your mortgage when you thought you were such a smart little cookie is tough, but still.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So planner boy,</p>
<p>it sounds like the standard here is that we are supposed to take knowledge ALREADY published in studies and journals, repackage it(to your satisfaction, naturally), and then essentially write ANOTHER, plagiarized article in a manner of your choosing, because if we don&#8217;t follow every ridiculous step of your bogus set of standards, then we have essentially failed, according to your stupid little argument, correct?</p>
<p>Oh, btw, I hope you&#8217;re still not knocking your wife around. I know getting caught underwater on your mortgage when you thought you were such a smart little cookie is tough, but still.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327466</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Krugman has marketed silly alien invasion schemes as a fix to the economy.&lt;/i&gt;

Wow! You point out that they should change the world with their special knowlege, and they get all a-makin&#039; up unicorn stories. 


Your special knowledge is compelling. Show the rest of the world how wrong they are. Stop the tantrum and use that energy to stop the entire planet from planning for man-made climate change. Your taxes are going to the US military to plan for man-made climate change. Only YOU can stop the madness, Frank. Use your special knowledge for good, not a tantrum.

DS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Krugman has marketed silly alien invasion schemes as a fix to the economy.</i></p>
<p>Wow! You point out that they should change the world with their special knowlege, and they get all a-makin&#8217; up unicorn stories. </p>
<p>Your special knowledge is compelling. Show the rest of the world how wrong they are. Stop the tantrum and use that energy to stop the entire planet from planning for man-made climate change. Your taxes are going to the US military to plan for man-made climate change. Only YOU can stop the madness, Frank. Use your special knowledge for good, not a tantrum.</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327451</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Worse still is the trotting out a Keynesian Krugman lover as &quot;evidence&quot; of anything. Krugman has marketed silly alien invasion schemes as a fix to the economy. Brother. If this is all planners got- -well, this and Urban Spoon, and McMansions, and joyrides in Jeeps, and unwalkable neighborhoods- -then I am sad. Sad for them and their mentally and morally deficient worldview.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worse still is the trotting out a Keynesian Krugman lover as &#8220;evidence&#8221; of anything. Krugman has marketed silly alien invasion schemes as a fix to the economy. Brother. If this is all planners got- -well, this and Urban Spoon, and McMansions, and joyrides in Jeeps, and unwalkable neighborhoods- -then I am sad. Sad for them and their mentally and morally deficient worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: metrosucks</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327378</link>
		<dc:creator>metrosucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 06:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poor planner boy, the most mischaracterized and misunderstood asshole this side of the Mississippi. Wondering about the whole &quot;get a sad&quot; bs, is this something Danny Boy read in some planner book on how to deal with recalcitrant residents?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor planner boy, the most mischaracterized and misunderstood asshole this side of the Mississippi. Wondering about the whole &#8220;get a sad&#8221; bs, is this something Danny Boy read in some planner book on how to deal with recalcitrant residents?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327356</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 05:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They always pout, mischaracterize and lash out when they get a sad upon realizing someone has pointed out for all to see that they can&#039;t mark their beliefs &lt;a href=&quot;http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/01/if-you-dont-learn-how-to-mark-your-beliefs-to-market-you-risk-turning-into-crazy-old-coot-yelling-at-clouds.html&quot; title=&quot;â€¦[he] deals with a contradiction between his firmly-held beliefs and reality by... doubling down on his unshakeable previous beliefs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;to market&lt;/a&gt;, donâ€™t they? Every time. Since the dawn of time. 

Some have utterly predictable behavior patterns at some point after the onset of the sad as well. Heat, kitchen

DS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They always pout, mischaracterize and lash out when they get a sad upon realizing someone has pointed out for all to see that they can&#8217;t mark their beliefs <a href="http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/01/if-you-dont-learn-how-to-mark-your-beliefs-to-market-you-risk-turning-into-crazy-old-coot-yelling-at-clouds.html" title="â€¦[he] deals with a contradiction between his firmly-held beliefs and reality by... doubling down on his unshakeable previous beliefs" rel="nofollow">to market</a>, donâ€™t they? Every time. Since the dawn of time. </p>
<p>Some have utterly predictable behavior patterns at some point after the onset of the sad as well. Heat, kitchen</p>
<p>DS</p>
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		<title>By: metrosucks</title>
		<link>http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=7087&#038;cpage=1#comment-327345</link>
		<dc:creator>metrosucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is where Dan comes in, hand flaps some more, and claims he will move to a more dense, environmentally &quot;friendly&quot; area as soon as he is no longer &quot;under water&quot; on his mortgage and can afford to do so.

But, if Dan really believes all his eco/green tripe, wouldn&#039;t he do anything possible to live by his own standards, including maybe losing money on the sale of his house? 

The difference between a liberal planner&#039;s rhetoric, and what he really does, tells me he doesn&#039;t even believe his own BS. It&#039;s simply advantageous for him to talk out of both sides of his mouth, advocating dense TOD&#039;s for the &quot;rest of us&quot;, while selfishly enjoying the benefits of the same suburbia/McMansion lifestyle he derides daily. 

If he is truly so worried about the environment, why would he, as Frank says, take a job essentially managing the building of an army of McMansions, a suburban housing type he claims is completely unsustainable, and utterly at odds with his ideology?

One is left to conclude that Dan is a flaming hypocrite who doesn&#039;t give a crap about the environment, but is interested in power and green, that is, money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is where Dan comes in, hand flaps some more, and claims he will move to a more dense, environmentally &#8220;friendly&#8221; area as soon as he is no longer &#8220;under water&#8221; on his mortgage and can afford to do so.</p>
<p>But, if Dan really believes all his eco/green tripe, wouldn&#8217;t he do anything possible to live by his own standards, including maybe losing money on the sale of his house? </p>
<p>The difference between a liberal planner&#8217;s rhetoric, and what he really does, tells me he doesn&#8217;t even believe his own BS. It&#8217;s simply advantageous for him to talk out of both sides of his mouth, advocating dense TOD&#8217;s for the &#8220;rest of us&#8221;, while selfishly enjoying the benefits of the same suburbia/McMansion lifestyle he derides daily. </p>
<p>If he is truly so worried about the environment, why would he, as Frank says, take a job essentially managing the building of an army of McMansions, a suburban housing type he claims is completely unsustainable, and utterly at odds with his ideology?</p>
<p>One is left to conclude that Dan is a flaming hypocrite who doesn&#8217;t give a crap about the environment, but is interested in power and green, that is, money.</p>
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