New Flyer Announces Level 4 Bus

Bus manufacturer New Flyer has announced that it has level 4 autonomous buses ready for sale. Level 4 means no human driver will be necessary as long as the bus says on its designated route.

New Flyer’s autonomous bus will have at least a dozen LIDAR, radar, and optical sensors. Click image to download a brochure about the bus.

The intelligence for the buses will be provided by Robotic Research, which until recently focused mainly on developing small delivery vehicles that can operate on sidewalks. Moving from tiny delivery carts to 40-foot buses is quite a leap.

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While I am an enthusiastic proponent of driverless vehicles, this announcement smells like vaporware. Waymo spent more than a decade doing research and driving its cars millions of miles before putting them to work in ride-hailing service in Arizona. New Flyer began its autonomous vehicle program less than two years ago and it isn’t clear whether it has actually operated its autonomous bus or if it is just a mock-up.

Robotic Research has been around for longer than that, but it admits that it doesn’t plan to have its first autonomous buses running until 2023. Those buses will operate on a dedicated bus-rapid transit route and so they won’t have to deal with any other vehicles besides other autonomous buses.

I suspect that any transit agencies contacting New Flyer about buying its level 4 buses will have to wait at least a three or four years before delivery. Even then, the buses may be capable of operating only on dedicated lanes or routes, and by 2024 there will be very few places in the country that will attract enough bus riders to justify a dedicated route especially since it is likely that autonomous cars will be more cost-effective, not to mention more convenient for riders, in most cases.

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4 Responses to New Flyer Announces Level 4 Bus

  1. rovingbroker says:

    There’s always Disney …

    11. Buses

    Walt Disney World’s buses are the backbone of the transportation system, providing buses between all parks and to the resort hotels, with a fleet of over 350 buses – making it the third largest bus fleet in Florida, behind that of Miami and Jacksonville.

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  2. Francis King says:

    Local stopping buses are very dangerous. One duty of the bus driver is to ensure that the doors are clear before they shut. If someone is in front of the bus when it moves off, or something gets caught in the doors, there will be a very nasty incident.

    There’s more to it than just driving down a road.

    Perhaps this is more useful on longer routes. The human driver sets the bus off safely, then retires and lets the autopilot handle the freeways.

  3. prk166 says:

    If you want to understand how little progress has been made in robocars / robobuses / robotaxis, note that they _NEVER_ compare their “progress” directly to how an actual human drives.

  4. Tempe Jeff says:

    As a frequent rider (Valley Metro), a Bus Driver is back-stop to clear the Bus of Homeless/Mentally Ill riders; at the end of their Route. The Light Rail, is already a mobile homeless shelter in the Summer. Fares are proven on the Train by having Phoenix PD board and manually check Fare Card ownership. What happens when, someone starts a fight? Can the Bus be stopped by someone on Board? Questions with no answers, it seems.

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